mike dukakis was a guy that wouldn't pledge allegiance to the united states, somehow a card-carrying member of the aclu. all this dark, kind of referencing. they're not really one of us. but then with e et facr, becae heas aane and he's black, the doubling down on this, well, he's not one of us. >> right. race adds to this, to the armament they're using he. it's a huge factor in this. but what i think is interesting is that this seems to renate theate ama crowd t doesn't seem to be resonating a lot with other folks. and -- >> it already has. but why are -- you cover politics. why do they keep puttingut this stuff? night, he's the craziest -- not the craziest, the meanest. to use a kid's words, but he is, saying he's not american. sununu who looks like their watch dog, attacdog saying, can't he learn how to be an american? they don't say thaout walter moe,n'y a o. they said that about bob dole. >> they don't say it in this way. they're throwing this against the wall and hoping it will stick. again, it seems to crge the people who have already made up their minds, made up their minds y